If you ask me and want me to answer honestly, why I got so interested and intrigued by there possibly being a photograph of Joseph Smith? It all started in 2016, after finding out that a few of my closest buddies had left the Church, over Joseph Smith's polygamy. I had just recovered from a big surgery, ruminating over how there were photographs of Brigham Young, I could look at and see goodness in, but out of the blue- I just wanted to see Joseph's- to see if I could see goodness in his. If you read my first blog, it really did take me quite a while to think that my CDV, "1840s Illinois Man"- could be Joseph, but when it did and I saw how well it matched the death mask, I looked at it longer and I saw a good man, a sad man, a scarred man, but not a man that I believe would abuse or exploit women
The man below is Chauncey Higbee, a known sexual predator. Chauncey lived "Spiritual Wifery", which included the practice of basically- "sharing women". One of those women, Catherine Warren, let Chauncey share... her with a lot of men, in return for food, CLAIMING Joseph Smith taught this and he didn't...
May 1842, Joseph Smith, I believe, with the help of his wife Emma found many of his victims and brought justice to the predators maybe a year after it started, most of which fell on the shoulders of J.C. Bennett, who I believe from all evidence started this very, very BASE practice of exploiting widows, young girls AND wives with husbands on long missions. Bennett was stripped of being Mayor, from being the town "doctor", from being the head of the Nauvoo Legion- ALL GONE- excommunicated, kicked out of the masonic lodge and eventually left town, wrote a “flipped version of reality” Book... and his "trainees" STAYED in Nauvoo. See his biggest fan below.
Meg Stout has a book, "Reluctant Polygamist", that I read which is two fold, one- focused on analyzing if Joseph had marriage relations with any of his wives, other than Emma (he did, just rarely per all evidence), and the other- she delves into the differences between Spiritual Wifery and Plural Marriage. Non-members hear about "eternity only sealings" and think that SOUNDS so much LIKE Spiritual Wifery, they assume it's the same, it is not, it’s totally different. Members of the Church practically NEVER research Spiritual wifery (except for Meg and some Church Historians that raise their eyebrows and NEVER speak a word about it a single of the Joseph Smith Papers documentaries, or in any papers for that matter... hmmm). Meg is an intellectual, an engineer and blunt- and possibly too crass for Deseret Book, although I do recommend her book to adults. If you understand it, read the Joseph Smith papers, it is talked about and explained extensively, there.
A few of Chauncey's victims were named in the Nauvoo Neighbor, May of 1844, two years after the extremely young Higbee boys vowed to change their ways (two 19-20 yo bros being introduced into a very evil practice of illicit sexual encounters with literally no commitment), but... this wasn't some 20 yo returned missionary who just did something bad with his girlfriend, these were two boys were being taught to be Jeffrey Epstein, by a Dr. Bennett (whom Meg believes was likely also- a Larry Nassar- he was a woman's doctor with just as bad of a reputation...). At this point, Chauncey is worse than ever, has become a Lawyer, won't just leave Nauvoo, AND he wants to kill Joseph Smith. Testimonials of some of Higbee's victims listed here:
At the same time all of this IS happening, Joseph Smith is being sealed for eternity only- to MANY women (which was akin to Catholic nuns- when they were "eternity only sealings") and time and eternity (actual plural wives) to a few women. Three women TOTAL spoke in the Temple Lot case of 1890, almost 50 years after Joseph died, a fight over land, by proving or disproving Joseph’s plural wives happened. Only those three women ever gave first hand accounts saying they shared marriage relations with Joseph Smith. I understood what a lot of my friends felt when I began reading their personal accounts, it's jarring and can be twisted to sound AWFUL. That said, two of the girls who testified and were interrogated by lawyers, Lucy Walker and Emily Partridge, lived in Joseph Smith's home for YEARS before he proposed or married them. One- Emily, got special focus in the interrogation, when asked WHEN she moved in (1841) and when she married Joseph Smith (1843), the lawyer asked her many times if she had children with Joseph Smith, she said she did not, all three women did not actually. The RLDS Church, led by Joseph Smith's OLDEST son is a part of the Temple Lot case were intent on proving Joseph Smith never lived Plural marriage, (no one believes that today- FYI), but it was when the reality came that she had lived with the Smith's for years before marrying Joseph Smith, Lawyers really... wanted to know if anything physical happened BEFORE marriage, from touching her on the back, to holding hands, straight to sleeping together- Emily says no to it all, then says,
"No sir he never did for he was not that kind of a man, he was a gentleman in every way and did not indulge in liberties like that."
Emily was known for being very beautiful, and twice a widow, Brigham died a decade before, in the year that plural marriage has ended (the 1890 Manifesto ended plural marriage in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, any remnants today are not people who have membership with 15 million member Church- with all them temples), close to death in-fact, tells lawyers for at least two pages (linking the hard copies- typed out in the courtroom are ALL online), she denies there being ANY physical contact between her and Joseph Smith, before they were married. The three women testified similar stories, all three were either over 18 or 17 (Lucy Walker). None of the women ever had children with Joseph Smith. Although they were NOT the only "time and eternity wives"- only three are on record as saying anything physical happened and none of them said Joseph lived Spiritual wifery (as in- they only had relations with Him- no other men). Helen Mar Kimball's poetry about her "marriage" to Joseph just being for "eternity alone"- proves nothing was going to happen- physically and she knew it, she knew she was saved from the fate of the victims of the Higbee boys... She alludes to that, but once you know- you know and it all makes so much sense.
If you research and read everything the women said, like Meg Stout has done, he is so far from being a sexual predator, any "jarring" feelings were all gone (esp. when I realized every anti Mormon website stated Lucy was 15 when she married Joseph and she was 17- for some reason that made a huge difference in my mind).
Chauncey Lawson Higbee, Joseph's murderer (along with a hundred other men who just adored the practices of Higbee and Law- both super cool with having several partners- just NOT committing to them and not letting their children - well- live), is of the darkest black and you see it in his eyes. Plural marriage is benign in comparison to Spiritual Wifery, but... sadly- the FLDS COMBINE the two (thus super high rates of abuse- obviously- spiritual wifery IS EVIL)...
The man below, wouldn't even touch a young woman whom he planned to marry, who shared the same kitchen and hallways... This man ran a literal- STING to locate and VOICE all of Higbee's victims, which included the two very young Nyman sisters (which Meg details in her book and I'll not throw in here, but it's so, so sad and messed up!). Emma and Joseph abhorred Spiritual Wifery, thus... in Spring 1844- the men and women of the Church read and shoutted "Amen" three times, in DENOUNCING Spiritual wifery. True Story. https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-4-1-march-22-june-1844/135
The Man below would never tolerate abuse towards women, as Lucy Walker said "women always their choice in the matter" in regards to Plural marriage, even letting Flora Woodworth break off their engagement and even performing her wedding to a different man... she wasn't threatened, no one was and they all reported him being very kind and compassionate, he was an Empath (I truly, truly believe he was extremely empathetic) and he just didn't want to get a bunch of women pregnant- only to die (heard prophesied by MANY Saints- that he would NOT live to be 40). Lucy said they were too "scared to conceive"- which back then means- nothing really much happened (if they had abortions they either would have died or have had serious trouble having children later on- and his wives all went on to marry after his death and have MANY children and to live long healthy lives- if abortions in 1950s were dangerous- think about before they understood sanitation... or disinfection... seriously people- THINK- do "mental gymnastics"- use that BRAIN of yours!!!)- because they were scared- and well- Joseph respected their boundaries- yep NOT A SEXUAL PREDATOR. So... “anti- Josephs” keep swinging this load of crap that he laid a single hand on children- and you go silent when I show you every single reference for anything ever happening, show you where JS III as a young boy told his dad a man touching him on the head made him feel basically sick inside- and his dad CARING and never allowing that man to touch his kid again... seriously- HE DID NOT ABUSE ANY CHILDREN (page 30 of the Memoirs of Joseph Smith III- ain't nobody mess with Joe's son- the guy got a paper thrown at him and yelled at in front of the 12 BTW, I think possibly around the same time, for patting his son on his head and making him feel uncomfortable- if anyone was ever wondering what THAT was about- don't even look at his kids WRONG... hahahaha). Good night.
The above drawing of Joseph (sitting) and Hyrum Smith (standing) is credited to Fredrick Piercy. In reading to see if this was a life drawing, as I read somewhere on the www, it is not- as Piercy did not come to Nauvoo until after Joseph's death. He traveled from England doing sketches of the landscape, all the way to Salt Lake City, to help the English Saints have a published book of drawings, showing the landmarks on their way to Zion... This image impressed me, because he is wearing similar attire as the man in my Carte de Viste, the uber thin popped down collar, the very dark, double wrapped bow tie and his hair seems voluminous, like the man in my image, of course both have it combed forward and do not have a hint of side-burns or facial hair. I wondered, did he travel to Nauvoo, maybe he saw my image there? It turns out that Fredrick Piercy gives a great detailed account of traveling into Nauvoo and staying with Emma (Joseph's wife) and it appears he spent quite some time there, drawing her sons, one of whom was a budding artist.
At age nine David Hyrum Smith was thus described,
"He is of a mild, studios disposition, and is passively fond of drawing, seeming never to be so happy as when he has a pencil and paper in hand."
Link to the book published by Piercy:
I was very excited about this find, disappointed it wasn't a life sketch from the trial of 1843- as I had read online, where it seems many other non-Mormon artists were also sketching the prophet, showing, just as Piercy shows, that he was losing his hair and combing it to the side, with a side part and forward. One such life drawing, seen below:
The above sketched image of Joseph Smith, credited to Benjamin West, is less well known, said to be from life, January 1843. As stated above, this person who was doing a caricature of the Prophet Joseph Smith, emphasized his ears, straight- not round eyebrows... (referencing an argument with a Joseph Smith papers employee). It is clear by 1843, Joseph Smith was covering a receding hairline.
Link to the Book "Treasures of the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library":
The other day I was met with some harsh reactions towards my photo, one girl was literally repulsed by the idea that my image could be Joseph Smith and proclaimed her positivity that he did not resemble ANY artwork she had seen of Joseph Smith. I get varying reactions, I like not selling the idea, but just asking what people think of it- NOT seeing my analysis, men especially react- saying:
"Joseph didn't lose his hair... No..."
Granted, if you look at my image, there is definitely distortion from the side lighting, which causes an effect of blowing things up- or enlarging them, as you see above, his left- our right- collar appears... double the thickness of his right side collar- which I doubt was the case- the lighting just hit it and caused things to appear larger, so I believe his hairline seeming MORE receded on his left side- has to do with that... and that it just is Joseph Smith and he had less hair on the left side of his head from the mobbing in 1832 (as documented by Levi Handcock's Journals).
I get why people are thrown off, the painting kept by Emma Smith, believed to be done by David Rogers, shows Joseph Smith with a massive pompadour hairstyle (thus many call it the "Elvis Painting". Seen below:
David Rogers painted Joseph Smith, Fall of 1842, spending at least four days, as documented in Joseph's journal for September 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th:
I heard conflicting conclusions on who did the above painting, mostly from amateur bloggers, of who exactly did this painting of Joseph Smith. When I bought his Journals from the Deseret Book Store and saw that it was concluded to be by David Rogers, September 1842. Comparing Rogers art to the paintings, sketches (MANY sketches) done by Maudsley, three months earlier, in June 1842, I definitely learned something new, in my two plus years of research... but I am not convinced Joseph grew more hair in September 1842, than in June 1842 and Rogers took some liberties (as I personally did in my own artwork, as seen my last blog post). It's accuracy comes into question...
I was rereading the scholarly article, "The Visual Image of Joseph Smith, by William B. McCarl ", granted- the link shows very badly scanned copies of the mentioned artwork, his references for the reasons he believes that David Rogers did this above painting are very strong. Read from page 50, of his article, it becomes clear that some think the profile drawing, posted below, would have been from Rogers, however the 1910 quote of Joseph Smith III also makes it very clear that we cannot know how much the above image looks as it did in 1842, as his son says it was,
"...sustained in its characteristic likeness" (page 29 of the same Scholarly Article), using the daguerreotype in Joseph Smith III's possession, but is not one- created using the daguerreotype, or two- at all considered "unchanged"- as he is saying it HAS been changed, over time, even repainted over the span of 68 years! All that can be concluded, is that it was a popular painting to repaint, draw and photograph...
Link to the Scholarly Article:
As you read the above article, you will see them reference the below painting, which hung in Brigham Young's office and is also believed to be an 1842- David Roger's painting, others say Sutcliffe Maudsely did it...
The above painting shows Joseph with a hairline as far back as his ears, like my image, and if you zoom in, you clearly see hair coming from the follicles only as far forward as his ear lobes, when brushed forward, resting on his forehead, a far cry from the distinct comb- back style, as possibly Rogers showed in the September 1842 painting. Suffice to say, there is more artwork out there showing Joseph Smith had a receding hairline, than not. Just imagine someone taking a pair of scissors and cutting- exactly at the hairline, his voluminous- but receding hairline would create that chopped, but thick tuft of hair seen on BOTH my image and the death mask...
June 25th of 1842, Joseph Smith's journal states that he sat for his profile, done by Sutcliffe Maudsley, however, Salt Lake City Church History Museum has at least six verified drawings/paintings done by Maudsley, showing just how far "artistic liberties" can go, as the first image Joseph has a small nose, looks short and about age 14, drastically older in the fourth image in the above slideshow, then my favorite is number six, shows a man about 37 years old. Either way, none of the drawings show a pompadour hairstyle, but a brushed forward (not backwards)- popped up hairstyle, with the sides receding all the way back to his ears. Brigham's painting appears to have less hair than the many Sutcliffe Maudsley drawings.
Link to his journal in June 25, 1842:
This "Elvis Joseph" painting, which Joseph Smith III photographed, sent to Utah, which also Carter rephotographed (and I might add- he could have rephotographed one of two paintings as the Salt Lake Tribune states there is a "duplicate oil painting"- page 29 of the article). Carter's claims of seeing the "daguerreotype"- could definitely be a daguerreotype of the painting itself, a photograph of the painting, either way he was not looking at my Carte de Viste when drew it, nonetheless I have found that the artwork is a "roadmap of Joseph's face"- see how they all show his hooded eyelids, the drawing especially shows the scar coming down from his left eye, as lines.
Last blog post I mentioned working on a drawing of Joseph, using "younger Joseph" (Spiritus' alleged Joseph Smith), an image I do not own, owned by people that I do not personally know, and it was quite a bit easier of a feat, because the photo had so much raw detail, I was fascinated by his face, his apparent scars made me think about his short and rough life.
When I first bought my Carte de Viste, I was too busy researching it's provenance and authenticity in order to focus on drawing him, again (although the above was edited to look MORE like my CDV, plus the kindness in his eyes was more apparent in "older Joseph"). Last year I went ahead and began drawing Joseph with pencil, then scanned it into my ipad, where I colorized it (which is repainting it anyway) and can present that below (it is quite different than the one above".
I am selling copies of my artwork on Esty, print 8X10s of my 1840s Illinois Man, (along with oil paintings and such) here:
In May 2017 I remember finishing my first version of a drawing I did of Joseph Smith, based on the Spiritus Daguerreotype, which I uploaded to this App Procreate to colorize it digitally (only ever did pencil or oil mediums before). I showed my brand new roommate and showed her the Spiritus Daguerreotype and in tandem showed her "older Joseph" (my image now, that I wasn't as convinced of at the time), and her reaction was interesting, looking at the "older Joseph",
"That is HIS chin... does he had LESS hair on one side of his head..."
I had quickly looked at the death mask of Joseph Smith and what Kim Marshall believes was his skull (and I do too now, Skull 1), and saw some similarities, but sitting on a couch staring at 1840 Illinois Man's face and finding it how fascinating that he matched the man's face, of the daguerreotype owned by the "Spiritus" channel on youtube (group in England) when I inverted that daguerreotype into it's mirror image. I saw that they BOTH had a very hood left eyelid and less hooded right, the right sides of their mouths came up higher than their left (which drooped). When I realized they both matched each other I began editing my drawing, FIRST flipped it's perspective and began making him look MORE like "older Joseph", which was growing on me- I liked his expression and kindness, humility better- opinion wise, but honestly in hopes that I could be free of lawsuit in doing artwork based on two images (if you change 70 percent of an original artwork, it's legal to copy it- per my HS art teacher, who knows). I emailed an old art professor, asking him if I could sell my art without getting sued by this group in England and what he thought of BOTH images? My incredible art teacher (his work looks like photos) showed me how the laws would generally be able to protect me and how he didn't think I'd get sued (and probably thought it looked different enough from my lack of ability haha). He generously took the time and compared the two men and said they could not be the same person, ears, nose- everything lined up differently (I disagreed bc I concluded the Spiritus Joseph had his chin down so his ears would line up higher on this face, I actually sat facing my mirror verifying this, and I was sure that his chin being more "square" earlier in life had to do with him dislocating his jaw so many times in his journals); then said "older Joseph" seemed too old to be Joseph Smith was his first impression, he however didn't do more than compare the two images side-by-side.
I am going to post links to references to Joseph Smith dislocating his jaw, this first one, you have to click on the note "10" to see that Joseph Smith reportedly dislocated his jaw just three months after the mob attack:https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-emma-smith-6-june-1832/2
".. when I rose from the dinner-table, I walked directly to the door and commenced vomiting most profusely; I raised large quantities of blood and poisonous matter, and so great were the muscular contortions of my system that my jaw was dislocated in a few moments; this I succeeded in replacing with my own hands, and made my way to Brother Whitney, (who was on the bed) as speedily as possible, he laid his hands on me and administered in the name of the Lord, and I was healed in an instant, although the effect of the poison had been so powerful, as to cause much of my the hair to become loosened from my head."
November 1843, Joseph Smith gets food poisoning and dislocates his jaw, 11 years later, however- he likely had problems with his jaw the entire past 11 years: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-3-15-july-1843-29-february-1844/162
As I am writing this and editing this, of course I had to research Chronic TMJ and HAVE to let you in on how a girl that had this chronically got to the point she could hardly close her mouth, so.. I could see it being very likely, after 11 years, in the 19th century with little medical knowledge than what I HAVE as an Esthetician/MA, Joseph Smith could have gone from being able to close his jaw tightly and look like he has a square jaw line, to not being able to barely bite, from this chronic condition... Who knows, not me: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4379230/
It wasn't until I realized both men looked very similar, that I took the "older Joseph" more seriously and compared him to the death mask, using the app Procreate (I never did digital art until 2017, never took classes), and I first was shocked to see, yes, the very hooded left eyelid and a sunken in right eyelid. I made my first youtube videos simply to show that my artwork used BOTH images as inspiration, so... I wouldn't get sued, yet, that was it, the only reason I first made youtube videos, NOT to make money (except off my artwork, which it never did- hahaha):
(first youtube video ABOUT my drawing)
Below is my "finished product", finished as in- I have about 12 versions of this saves from my Procreate app, and ended up unhappy and fixing a million minor things to get his expression "just right"... I did use both "older" and "younger Joseph"s.
I did another video, after this, to outline the features of the "two Josephs", and became more frustrated with the "Fake Joseph" blog post, I honestly was not worried about the daguerreotype, as a group in England said they were studying it with professionals and they believed it was Joseph (whereabouts were known, awesome!), the "older Joseph"- I was worried about never finding, or being throw out- as the ebay seller "G" as they call him, was bulldozed as I myself have felt bullied online I felt a ton of compassion for him and had the persistent thought, I believe from the Spirit,
"He's going to throw it away... find it!"
My concern grew and I felt that I needed to work on finding the "older Joseph", so that... it didn't get "thrown away", or would get out of a dusty corner of the Church History Library (I actually thought they would have it, hahaha- ha). This is where my fire stemmed from, to convince whoever had to maybe- not give up... to really verify how well this man matched the death mask, so with a VERY pixelated image of "older Joseph", I had the thoughts coming to my mind,
"LEARN HOW TO DO LAYERS."
I didn't have photoshop, never did layers before, but after this thought came- watched a short youtube video on how to do layers on Procreate, and decided that I would be better analyze this image by outline his facial features, as I did on my second video, but on a DIFFERENT layer and drop that layer onto the death mask of Joseph Smith.
The video below is crude, but a very REAL reaction in real time, have just verified HOW to do layers and the comparison was legit in that moment... I seriously had no idea that death mask, taken after he fell two flights, shot in the chest repeatedly, after rigamortis, that there would be an accurate match, in a slowly swelling dead man's face, but it MATCH my man's image and I was shook...
After this video, I figured out how to superimpose the death mask, by upping and lowering the opacity of the death mask. Video below...
The last video of Summer 2017, I had emailed the Church History Department, of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and life got super stressful and overwhelming and I kindof went,
"Well, I hope my email to them inspires them to take that ebay seller seriously, if he has contacted them"... I had no response and gave up.
I showed some people my videos and to be frank, my own friends and family weren't super supportive, and one friend from Church, although nice, as as person, didn't get why I cared so much,
"Why... are you doing this..."
I just couldn't let it go, I had been informed by my mother that we were related to Joseph Smith and as I studied his face, I began to feel for him, what he'd been through, and I felt like my own harsh features- like my nose and ears that stick out, maybe were also a part of the Prophet of the Restoration, that I am related to (distantly... but I am...), guess I felt a special connection to the poor man, honestly all I ever hoped to find was a high resolution copy of "older Joseph".
October 2017 I was on my long ride home from work, I decided that I should read the Juvenile Instructor website, and try to find the ebay seller "G". I felt the Spirit REALLY strong that ride home and was very curious about this, so I came home and reread the ENTIRE contentious blog post and went onto ebay and searched and... I found the seller. We conversed, I will not go into detail, out of respect for him, but he was nice, his collection was large, he had a lot of other "Smith" photos in his store, but was quick to explain that they were NOT a part of the "Smith family album" that my image was from. He had a picture he tried to sell me as "his wife"- as it was written "Mrs. Smith"- from my memory (kicking myself for not screenshotting this as my store is gone... ugh), but as she had light eyes, was very over weight and Emma Smith stayed rather slender and had dark brown eyes... Only 2 images remained from the "Smith Family Photo Album" (I actually own one and think I might know who it is, I think he's someone's great Uncle, really might pay a professional to find out ;), the other I lost in the bid and soon after this seller began destroying his carte de Vistes, painting over faces and other strange things, then his whole store shut down... Like I said, he was selling many other old photographs and just happened to think it was Joseph, he is not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ, and I find it completely unfair people berated him for not knowing Church History... when he wasn't even a member of the Church, I believe he just had some RLDS family members, as his "aunt" was on the "high council"... Women aren't on the High Council in the Church of Jesus Christ (it's a priesthood office).
As stated on my many other pages of research, it wasn't until I had bought the image that I knew one, that it was CDV and two that it was taken in "Newark, Illinois". I had not researched clothing styles before, but that was my first step and I was GREATLY relieved that he matched with 1840s clothing, as Joseph Smith died in 1844.
I spent my free time studying every single picture of Joseph's sons to see if they had any matching clothing and had the persistent thought to research "Joseph Smith's Vest" and came upon the ENSIGN article about items once owned by Joseph Smith and found a blue, white and black striped vest, passed from Emma Smith- to Malissa Lott (his plural wife), thus making it's way to OOtah... that matched in the variation of shades of the horizontal lines, cross striations and swirls (I discovered this year, 2019 actually, when I saw it in person),it was a very cool moment...
Newark, Illinois, where my image was printed, was where many members of the Church lived, as reported by Apostles in the Spring of 1844, and Joseph's Presidential bid- actually campaigned there (Bibbins was Methodist, not LDS, per his family history). 200 miles apart, traveling between the two places was actually not that difficult for Joseph Smith... At this point I was only somewhat knowledgeable about history of Photography, but I was excited, I felt that my case was solid, given how numerous facial features and WRINKLES, EYEBROW HAIRS were matches... I made a youtube video about everything, seen below:
The video above was made just four days after I had bought the image, after meeting someone incredible, I believed it was Joseph Smith and felt with the vest, the right location (where the Church was growing before Joseph's death), I would have enough to get some help from the Church, I am a part of. After a funny phone call to the Church Headquarters, I was given a website that she said would get a response (told her how I had already contacted the Church History Dept. and had no response two months earlier), she also mentioned where to mail my "donated item" to the History Dept and I of course hesitated, as I had an inklinkling it would not be treated seriously and thrown into a dusty corner... oh how I underestimated how much negativity Utahns would give me... (Oregon girl all the way, and I an a second gen. member).
First, I quickly getting emails from a Missionary in the Church History Dept, forwarding an email from a Church Historian (with his contact information), stating how flawed my work was and how he just believed the Scannell Daguerreotype was a closer resemblance and MAINLY that my image was as CDV- PROVED that it couldn't have been taken before 1844, and he thought that paper photography didn't exist in 1844 (not true), "only daguerreotypes" did (both invented at the same time actually and you could reprint paper photos years before Joseph's death)... The thought came to me to research Emma's photograph and found that the Joseph Smith Papers ironically, stated that a CDV (reprint) of Emma Smith was originally taken in 1845 (as she is holding her youngest son- born in 1844), clearly this man was totally unaware of something others in his department knew. So, I replied directly to him, probably tiking him off, excitedly about this and was ignored, BUT... soon an young archivist began emailing with for probably a week...
The conversation with an archivist went on for a few days, and he got pretty angry; his statements how my man's collar was NOT high enough on his neck to be 1840s which made me believe he was JUST a Historian and not an artist nor one with very good eyes, as that collar is covering his jaw line, it's so high up his neck (and arguing how the eyebrows weren't round like Maudsley drew him... and neither are his eyebrows arched and round on the death mask brother...) It wasn't until I said I was done trying to explain myself that I realized the archivist wasn't the one "sparring" with me, but he was quoting an unnamed Church Historian, making two high up there Church Historians in 2017, not on my side. I often wondering how many "Church Historians" were putting down the ebay seller in 2009, and I have concluded- probably a lot and this summer I read one that was in the exact.... same wording and beliefs as this sparring historian that I finally found out who he was, as I found the Ebay seller- same beliefs, same exact statements about how he didn't believe there were ANY photographs of Joseph, as surely he would have told John Taylor and showed them to him... Well, that's where John's statements get interesting as Joseph Smith III quote "refutes" the statements that there are no authentic pictures of his father, as... he has a daguerreotype of his father he uses to "sustain" his father's likeness, but NOT to paint the entire painting Rogers spent four days working hard on...